Examining Paul Saladino's response to Sir David Attenborough's claims on meat sustainability
Coral Red: Mostly False
Orange: Misleading
Yellow: Mostly True
Green: True
In a video posted on May 16, 2024, Paul Saladino, MD, formerly known as ‘Carnivore MD,’ challenges Sir David Attenborough's recommendation for dietary shifts, made on the basis that "if we all had a largely plant-based diet, we would only need half the land we use at the moment." While Sir David Attenborough argues that "the planet can't support billions of large meat eaters," Saladino disagrees and supports his own position through two main claims:
Claim 1: “In the United States right now, 85% of the land where cattle are grazed cannot even support plant agriculture, it’s either too rocky too steep or too dry.”
Claim 2: “What we have in our country and in our world is not a deficiency of calories. We have a deficiency of nutrients. And the way that humans can most easily get nutrients, vitamins and minerals, is with animal foods.”
While it's true that much grazing land in the U.S. is unsuitable for crops, this does not mean current meat consumption levels are sustainable. The full environmental impacts of dietary shifts must be considered. Broad recommendations to 'eat more meat' to decrease nutritional deficiencies are unsupported by evidence that Americans are consuming more meat than ever before. Enhancing and facilitating the consumption of whole grains, fruits, and vegetables would diversify our diets and be more effective in alleviating nutritional deficiencies.
The claim that eating less meat will rob you of essential nutrients seems to be completely at odds with the recommendation to cut down on animal products, both for sustainability and health reasons. Framing the issue as a simple either/or question doesn't lead to meaningful debate and tends to cause more confusion. To fully understand the basis of Sir David Attenborough's recommendation, it is important to look at the big picture of meat production in the world.
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Attenborough's recommendation is informed by research showing that if the world stopped consuming animal products, we would reduce the amount of land used for agriculture by 75% (comparable to an area the size of North America and Brazil). This is of course a hypothetical scenario used to inform research, and should not be confused with the more realistic recommendation to cut down on animal products.
Saladino’s interpretation of Attenborough’s argument appears to involve a Straw Man Fallacy, misrepresenting the original point about reducing (rather than eliminating) meat consumption to address environmental issues. This difference might seem small enough, but it makes it easier to dismiss Attenborough’s recommendations, which can end up appearing misguided.
Paul Saladino says that “the contention that the planet cannot support more meat-eaters is false.” Why? According to his first claim, most of the land used to graze cattle is unsuitable to grow crops. Let’s analyze the evidence provided to support this claim and fact-check its implications for sustainability.
- Evidence cited: The first paper quoted by Saladino to support this claim has nothing to do with the conversion of land used for grazing cattle to grow crops. Instead, the study referenced argues that the current method of assessing greenhouse gases (using GWP100) misrepresents the impact of short-lived pollutants like methane. Methane is a short-lived but highly potent greenhouse gas compared to carbon dioxide. According to the researchers, the current method can lead to inaccurate assessments of global warming potential because it equates short-lived gases to long-lived gases like CO2 over a 100-year period, ignoring their different atmospheric lifetimes. Now what would this mean if we were to increase meat production to accommodate more meat eaters, which Saladino suggests would not be unsustainable? According to the research he is quoting, any sustained increase in methane emissions would substantially contribute to future warming, adding to the current climate crisis.
- Verification of the claim: Other studies and reports from environmental organizations and agricultural experts corroborate the claim that most of the land where cattle are grazed would be unsuitable for plant agriculture. One study, for example, estimated that 65% of the land used for grass for grazing cattle is not suitable for growing crops.
- Implications for sustainability: To imply from this claim that current levels of meat consumption and production are sustainable overlooks many significant concerns and ways in which animal agriculture uses up land. Environmental researcher Nicholas Carter refers to this argument as the “marginal land myth.”
What is marginal land? Marginal land is land that has little or no agricultural value. This might be because it is unsuitable for food production, due to soil quality or other physical characteristics. The “marginal land myth” focuses on the unsuitability of (some) grazing land to grow crops but overlooks issues such as efficiency in the context of food security or the impact on biodiversity. According to Nicholas Carter,
“The contribution of non-arable (marginal) ecosystems to food security is insignificant when turned into pasture that provides less than 2% of global calories while racking up massive social and ecological costs (Source: Union of Concerned Scientists, 2012).”
So how might reducing meat consumption help to alleviate these ecological costs?
Firstly, let’s remember that at least one third of grassland could also be used as cropland (Mottet et al., 2017). Secondly, by unit of protein, most livestock feed is actually human edible (Berners-Lee et al., 2018). Even when only counting feed edible by humans, all livestock, including cows, still use more human-edible protein than they produce in the United States (Baber, Sawyer, & Wickersham, 2018) and globally (Berners-Lee et al., 2018). This is also true by unit of calorie, zinc and iron.
A shift towards plant-based diets would, therefore, not only free up pasture land; it would also reduce the amount of land needed globally to grow crops to feed livestock. Nicholas Carter explains that besides freeing up over 75% of farmland, this shift would also have the efficiency gain to feed 3.5 billion more people (Cassidy et al., 2013).
Beyond the direct uses of land that we’ve discussed so far (to raise and feed livestock), it is also important to keep in mind that there are further, indirect consequences to using up land for animal agriculture. The environmental impacts of meat production are indeed multifaceted, and Saladino’s argument undermines the role played by animal agriculture in driving deforestation and biodiversity loss, which in turn fuels the climate crisis:
Globally, 42% of pastureland used to be forested or at least woody-savannas (Searchinger et al., 2018).
Besides, just because some land grazed by cattle may not produce food for humans and can be considered marginal, it's not marginal for the wildlife it displaces, including some key ecosystem species like wolves or countless small mammals. So even though some of the land is marginal, returning it to nature is a far better choice for carbon drawdown and wildlife biodiversity.
Let’s now move to Saladino’s second claim, that eating more meat would also support optimal health.
Claim 2: “What we have in our country and in our world is not a deficiency of calories. We have a deficiency of nutrients. And the way that humans can most easily get nutrients, vitamins and minerals, is with animal foods.”
Saladino then concludes in his post caption: “Humans need to eat MORE meat, not less…”
The claim lacks context. Let’s dig deeper, first looking at the global context and then more specifically at the picture of nutritional deficiencies in America.
- The global context: The way the claim is phrased implies that meat (along with other animal foods) is the solution to a global problem: nutritional deficiencies. Saladino points out that while we might think nutritional deficiencies are associated with low calorie intake, that is not always the case: the real issue lies with getting the right nutrients. Malnutrition is an increasingly complex issue that does not have a single, straightforward answer, partly because it affects people differently around the world. It is important to note that malnutrition due to food insecurity remains a huge burden in large parts of the world. In other cases, malnutrition can be due to the poor quality of the food consumed (rather than low calorie intake), leading to micro-nutrient deficiencies, which can cause irreversible damage. This is referred to as Hidden Hunger, and it affects over two billion people worldwide. It is also possible to suffer both from obesity and malnutrition. This is a growing issue known as the “double burden of malnutrition.” But is the answer to these issues ‘more meat’?
- Evidence: To support the argument that humans need to eat more meat for optimal health, Saladino here references research pointing to the greater bioavailability of certain vitamins in animal-based foods compared with plant-based foods. Bioavailability refers to the proportion of a nutrient that is absorbed and utilised by the body.
- Verification and implications for combatting nutritional deficiencies: The evidence does support higher bioavailability of certain nutrients found in animal-based foods, but this does not entail that the answer to nutritional deficiencies lies with more meat. Both animal-based and plant-based foods have their own set of advantages and limitations in terms of nutrient bioavailability. Recommendations to tackle worldwide deficiencies mainly rely upon diet diversification, fortification and supplementation, and education and policy. In fact, research shows that increasing dietary diversity might be the most effective way to alleviate malnutrition. In the American context, emphasising the benefits of whole plant-based foods is an integral part of the fight against nutrient deficiencies. We will see why now.
- The American context: If we focus on the United States, where Paul Saladino is located, the suggestion that the U.S. has a nutrient deficiency that can be solved by increasing animal food consumption does not hold up against current dietary patterns (see graph below) or nutritional science. While animal foods do provide certain nutrients, the U.S. already consumes a high amount of meat, and the real deficiency lies in the consumption of fruits and vegetables. Increasing the intake of these plant foods would address nutrient deficiencies more effectively and promote better overall health.
Research supports the health benefits of increasing plant-based food intake, pointing to decreasing risks of various diseases as animal sources of protein, especially processed and red meat, get replaced with plant sources of protein within U.S. cohorts. In particular, consumption of red meat tends to overly exceed recommended amounts (Source: Rust et al., 2020). When Saladino suggests that we need more, not less meat, it’s important to put things in context: what kind of meat? more meat than what? and to replace what? In the American context, the claim goes against evidence that people already tend to consume too much meat, especially red and processed meat:
“Many Americans are not reaching micronutrient intake requirements from food alone, presumably due to eating an energy-rich, nutrient-poor diet. About 75% of the US population (ages ≥1 year) do not consume the recommended intake of fruit, and more than 80% do not consume the recommended intake of vegetables. Intakes of whole grains are also well below current recommendations for all age groups, and dairy intake is below recommendations for those ages 4 years and older. The 2015-2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans highlighted the nutrients that are underconsumed in the US population, i.e., "shortfall nutrients," labeling a few as "nutrients of public health concern" because low intake may lead to adverse health effects: Vitamin D (adverse health effect: osteoporosis), calcium (osteoporosis), potassium (hypertension and cardiovascular disease), dietary fiber (poor colonic health), and iron (anemia in young children, women of childbearing age, and pregnant women) were such labeled. Other nutrients, including vitamins A, C, and E; choline, and magnesium, were identified as also being underconsumed by the US population.” Source: Victoria J. Drake, Ph.D, Oregon State University.
The reasoning that more meat will lead to better health because it is nutrient-dense is based upon an incomplete picture, as it fails to take into account the flip side of the coin, particularly in the United States which is among the top meat-consuming nations:
There is also a flip side which cannot be ignored. While there can be a benefit to eating a certain amount of meat, there can also be harms from eating too much of some types of meat.” (Coburn 2021: 152)
Numerous studies have pointed to associations between a higher consumption of processed and red meat and increased risks of developing cardiovascular diseases as well as certain cancers. It is important to note that both the degree of exposure and the type of meat consumed affect that risk, hence recommendations to particularly reduce one’s consumption of processed and red meat.
Final Take Away
Recognising the nutritional value of animal products should not detract from the important recommendation to reduce meat consumption, particularly red meat, and other animal-based products. Interestingly, the advice to particularly reduce consumption of red meat seems to serve both matters of sustainability and health. At a time when change is quickly needed, broad recommendations to the public that go directly against national guidelines can cause confusion and contribute to undermining trust in experts.
We have contacted Paul Saladino to ask for comments and are awaiting a response.
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